Lorikeet sent to TMN the following transcript of a trial regarding the portal.
While Commodus' case against Klur was found to be frivolous, public anger over moving the portal to inaccessible or harmful places continues to grow.
Is "it creates discussion" a good reason to move a portal? Or was there a miscarriage of justice? Is Pogue Mahone unbeatable in court?
Click below to read the transcript.
8/10/03 10:03:20p Klur is now Clanning.
8/10/03 10:04:36p Commodus says, "why did you do it"
8/10/03 10:04:59p Commodus says, "reading thoomcare"
8/10/03 10:05:08p Commodus says, "interestiing stuff"
8/10/03 10:06:51p Klur says, "Do you have a question for me. I was sort
of day dreaming."
8/10/03 10:07:14p Commodus says, "why did you move the portals"
8/10/03 10:07:26p Klur says, "To create discussion."
8/10/03 10:07:33p Commodus says, "why both"
8/10/03 10:07:40p Klur says, "I only moved one."
8/10/03 10:07:49p Reye says, "he was with me, Commodus"
8/10/03 10:07:59p Commodus says, "thats what thoomcare says"
8/10/03 10:08:00p Reye says, "or visa versa however you wanna look at
it"
8/10/03 10:08:01p Commodus says, "yes"
8/10/03 10:08:21p Commodus says, "well you want to discussion"
8/10/03 10:08:41p Klur says, "I'm listening."
8/10/03 10:09:00p Commodus says, "are they not the property of all
exiles"
8/10/03 10:09:15p Klur says, "Hmm depends on definitions."
8/10/03 10:09:36p Commodus says, "they are like algy over there"
8/10/03 10:09:50p Commodus says, "they should be enjoyed by everyone"
8/10/03 10:09:58p Commodus says, "whether on the cloud or not"
8/10/03 10:10:14p Klur says, "I think Algernon would take offense to
that comment."
8/10/03 10:10:48p Commodus says, "and therefore should be moved where
everyone can enjoy them"
8/10/03 10:11:06p Klur says, "You need to be carefull with many of your
extreams."
8/10/03 10:11:45p Reye says, "meainign you're speaking for hundreds of
exiles, many of whom would disagree with your definition of enjoy or
good, Commodus"
8/10/03 10:11:54p Commodus says, "well lets have this dicussion on the
record then"
8/10/03 10:12:19p Reye says, "I have no idea what that means"
88/10/03 10:12:24p Althea says, "he's gonna sue you"
88/10/03 10:14:03p * Puddleby Court is now in session.
8/10/03 10:14:03p * Commodus v Klur,
8/10/03 10:14:03p accused of moving the portals and making them
inaccessible .
8/10/03 10:15:33p Bellafae says, "After he comes in, the Judge will
explain each phase of the proceedings as it comes up."
8/10/03 10:15:41p Bellafae yells, "All rise."
8/10/03 10:15:44p Bellafae yells, "This court is now in session, The
Honourable Judge Haengemie presiding."
8/10/03 10:15:52p Haengemie says, "Thank you, you may be seated."
8/10/03 10:15:59p Haengemie says, "This trial is to settle the matter
wherein Commodus has accused Klur of moving the portals and making them
inaccessible ."
8/10/03 10:16:05p Haengemie says, "Commodus and Klur will each be given
a chance to state the facts pertinent to the case."
8/10/03 10:16:11p Haengemie says, "Either party may finish their
testimony and call a witness by saying..."
8/10/03 10:16:18p Haengemie says, "witness:
8/10/03 10:16:22p Haengemie says, "witness: Klur"
8/10/03 10:16:25p Haengemie says, "Observers, please keep the railing in
the Northeast behind the jury clear for witnesses."
8/10/03 10:16:32p Haengemie says, "If, during the presentation of the
case, either party wishes to conclude early,..."
8/10/03 10:16:38p Haengemie says, "...they may do so by saying the
single word "done"."
8/10/03 10:16:45p Haengemie says, "Now then..."
8/10/03 10:16:48p Haengemie says, "Commodus, you have 90 seconds to
speak."
8/10/03 10:16:57p Commodus says, "they should be enjoyed by everyone"
8/10/03 10:17:10p Commodus says, "My argument is not with klur per se.
He seems like a nice guy. But the PM clan on"
8/10/03 10:17:20p Commodus says, "thoomcare admitting moving the portal
and they treat it like their own personal property."
8/10/03 10:17:30p Commodus says, "The portals should be the property to
of all great exiles young and old. Now with both"
8/10/03 10:17:41p Commodus says, "portals away from town it makes the
cloud inaccessible for most. The portal should be treated with respect
and everyone should have access to them. Reyes and Klur admitted"
8/10/03 10:17:52p Commodus says, "to me tonight he moved the portal.
Stop this madness and send a message to PM that us exiles will not stand
for their evil ways. They started this cirlce"
8/10/03 10:18:02p Commodus says, "witness michael"
8/10/03 10:18:04p Haengemie says, "Thank you, Commodus."
8/10/03 10:18:10p Haengemie says, "Michael, please approach the witness
railing, to the Northeast of the jury box. You have 15 seconds."
8/10/03 10:18:13p Michael thinks, "uh dont call me"
8/10/03 10:18:34p Haengemie says, "Klur, you have 90 seconds to speak."
8/10/03 10:18:48p Klur says, "I have been accused of 2 things."
8/10/03 10:18:54p Klur says, "One of moving a portal"
8/10/03 10:19:01p Klur says, "This I accept"
8/10/03 10:19:17p Klur says, "However I hope the court agrees moving the
portals should be accepted."
8/10/03 10:19:29p Klur says, "2nd I have been accused of making them
inaccessable."
8/10/03 10:19:43p Klur says, "I assure you I can access them as needed."
8/10/03 10:19:57p Haengemie says, "10 seconds remaining, Please finish
up, or say "done"..."
8/10/03 10:20:05p Klur says, "Like wise any one can put togeather a
group and make them accessable as they see fit."
8/10/03 10:20:10p Klur says, "done."
8/10/03 10:20:11p Haengemie says, "Thank you, Klur."
8/10/03 10:20:17p Haengemie says, "Commodus, you have 120 seconds to
speak."
8/10/03 10:20:30p Commodus says, "The PM clan started this whole portal
problem."
8/10/03 10:20:37p Commodus says, "he put one of them in the middle of a
lava pool so it would cause people that didnt know to die"
8/10/03 10:20:49p Althea thinks, "PM started the portal problem? huh?"
8/10/03 10:20:51p Commodus says, "now I can't enjoy the cloud"
8/10/03 10:20:59p Commodus says, "and most fighters will die"
8/10/03 10:21:08p Commodus says, "going through them"
8/10/03 10:21:09p Topaz thinks, "no they didn't... other exiles moved it
first."
8/10/03 10:21:14p Reye thinks, "err no."
8/10/03 10:21:14p Zen thinks, "PM is the source of all problems. Old Zen
saying."
88/10/03 10:21:25p Commodus says, "they are not the property of PM"
8/10/03 10:21:26p Michael thinks, "i think the problem is where they
moved it"
8/10/03 10:21:44p Commodus says, "and he moved one and started the mess"
8/10/03 10:22:10p Haengemie says, "10 seconds remaining, Please finish
up, or say "done"..."
8/10/03 10:22:11p Commodus says, "done"
8/10/03 10:22:18p Haengemie says, "Klur, you have 120 seconds to speak."
8/10/03 10:22:30p Drib'thgin thinks, "well, there was no "problem" with
it before, it worked, you could go from one spot to another, and not die
upon arrival."
8/10/03 10:22:47p Klur says, "I don't have much more to add. I believe
the portals should be move as any exile sees fit."
8/10/03 10:22:58p Klur says, "However"
8/10/03 10:23:06p Reye thinks, "I disagree with your definition of
problem and I know of at least a dozen others, PM and otherwise that do
too."
8/10/03 10:23:25p Klur says, "I do believe it is desirable for one end
to always reamin in town or close by"
8/10/03 10:23:45p Klur ponders, "Sorry for using town"
8/10/03 10:23:54p Drib'thgin thinks, "dying as soon as someone steps
onto the teleporter isnt a "problem" for you then?"
8/10/03 10:24:11p Haengemie says, "10 seconds remaining, Please finish
up, or say "done"..."
8/10/03 10:24:15p Klur says, "Outside of that one being close by."
8/10/03 10:24:18p Reye thinks, "I didn't say that. If you don't like it
there, why not move it?"
8/10/03 10:24:20p Klur says, "The other shouldn't matter."
8/10/03 10:24:27p Klur says, "I only moved one."
8/10/03 10:24:28p Haengemie says, "Thank you, Klur."
8/10/03 10:24:36p Haengemie says, "Jury, you will adjourn to vote on a
verdict."
8/10/03 10:24:39p Michael thinks, "because its in a hellish place full
of monsters that he prolly has never even seen, let alone can fight?"
8/10/03 10:24:41p Haengemie says, "After you discuss the case, tell the
verdict collector "guilty", "innocent"."
8/10/03 10:24:48p Haengemie says, "Or vote "frivolous" if you want to
sentence the plaintiff for wasting everyone's time."
8/10/03 10:24:54p Haengemie says, "You will have 4 minutes. Not voting
is the same as voting "innocent.""
8/10/03 10:24:57p Niccolo thinks, "Because Klur and gang would just move
it back..wtf"
8/10/03 10:25:01p Haengemie says, "Commodus has accused Klur of moving
the portals and making them inaccessible"
8/10/03 10:25:02p Thrund thinks, "the answer is a periodic reset"
8/10/03 10:25:05p Reye thinks, "I've been there. There's no reason you
can't go there."
8/10/03 10:25:07p Haengemie says, "Please remember to vote solely on the
matter of this trial, based only on the testimony heard."
8/10/03 10:25:08p Drib'thgin thinks, "yea and what Niccolo said too."
8/10/03 10:25:13p Commodus thinks, "well we know how malkor is voting"
8/10/03 10:25:14p Haengemie says, "Do not let any bias, good or bad,
regarding previous affiliations enter into your decision."
8/10/03 10:25:19p Michael thinks, "and it would take how long to move it
off KI?"
8/10/03 10:26:07p Michael thinks, "no, i didnt move either end onto kI"
8/10/03 10:26:07p Bellafae hands Haengemie the jury's verdict.
8/10/03 10:26:12p Haengemie says, "Commodus, this court has found your
case frivolous."
8/10/03 10:26:15p Lorikeet thinks, "Neither did we"
8/10/03 10:26:18p Haengemie says, "Klur, you are free to go."
8/10/03 10:26:24p Haengemie says, "Jury, you have found Commodus
guilty."
8/10/03 10:26:29p Haengemie says, "You will now adjourn to recommend a
sentence."
8/10/03 10:26:35p Haengemie says, "You will each be given two votes, and
choices of jail time and/or fine."
8/10/03 10:26:40p Michael thinks, "i moved it to the hut once it was on
KI, thats a little different"
8/10/03 10:26:41p Haengemie says, "An officer of the court will be ready
to assist you, should you need it."
8/10/03 10:26:48p Haengemie says, "You will have 4 minutes to make your
recommendations."
8/10/03 10:26:48p Kani thinks, "I put it back in the hut, is that
wrong?"
8/10/03 10:26:54p Haengemie says, "Not voting, with either or both of
your votes, is the same as a recommendation of "no sentence"."
8/10/03 10:27:01p Haengemie says, "Jury, please note: no prior
convictions in the past year."
8/10/03 10:27:08p Haengemie says, "And, because I find the frivolity of
this case to be contemptuous,..."
8/10/03 10:27:15p Commodus thinks, "now is going to move everytime"
8/10/03 10:27:16p Haengemie says, "I'm going to double the maximum
penalty (240 min/2000 c)"
8/10/03 10:27:23p Haengemie says, "I suggest that the jury recommend a
stiff sentence."
8/10/03 10:27:29p Haengemie says, "Jurors, you should take Commodus's
record into account when deciding what sentence to recommend."
8/10/03 10:27:39p Commodus thinks, "they think its theirs"
8/10/03 10:27:47p Thrund thinks, "that isn't a crime"
8/10/03 10:28:09p Commodus thinks, "causing people die is"
8/10/03 10:28:33p Bellafae hands Haengemie the jury's sentencing
recommendation.
8/10/03 10:28:37p Haengemie says, "Commodus, you are hereby sentenced to
spend 7 minutes in the Puddleby jail,"
8/10/03 10:28:45p Haengemie says, "and fined 687 coins."
8/10/03 10:28:49p Judge Haengemie bangs his gavel
8/10/03 10:28:52p Haengemie yells, "This court is adjourned."
8/10/03 10:28:53p Michael thinks, "i would just like to know why PM
thinks the middle of a lava pool is a good spot for it"
8/10/03 10:28:59p Bellafae says, "Commodus, you'll be going to jail to
serve your sentence, now."
8/10/03 10:29:14p Klur thinks, "It creats discussion."
8/10/03 10:29:24p WormTounge yells, "mich Gobo is clicked by a PMer?"
8/10/03 10:29:27p WormTounge says, "ppo ops."
8/10/03 10:29:29p Lorikeet says, "no"
8/10/03 10:29:29p (WormTounge laughs.)
8/10/03 10:29:32p Althea says, "no"
8/10/03 10:29:36p Althea says, "Gobo is not"
8/10/03 10:29:38p WormTounge says, "Well that was silly of me."
8/10/03 10:29:46p WormTounge says, "Sorry about that.."
8/10/03 10:29:47p Commodus thinks, "will that was worth the 700c"
8/10/03 10:29:48p Michael thinks, "thats the best you could come up
with?"
8/10/03 10:29:49p Natas thinks, "this is bout as interesting as the NG
aa breaks sunstone"
8/10/03 10:29:53p (Topaz sighs and shakes her head)
8/10/03 10:29:55p WormTounge says, "Well, thanks for answering, Althea
and Lorikeet."
8/10/03 10:30:35p Tserr'tsee thinks, "Well Comm, I like the "PM is evil
and they did it" while you have PM on the jury..."
8/10/03 10:31:15p Malkor thinks, "Actually, that was his most persuasive
argument. His attempts at jury tampering were half-hearted at best,
though."
8/10/03 10:31:18p Michael says, "i am glad you enjoy making people
depart"
8/10/03 10:31:20p Oriole exclaims, "wow we need to sue klur more gets
more exiles in town!"
8/10/03 10:31:28p Michael says, "didnt think you were like that Reye"
8/10/03 10:31:42p Reye says, "I don't' think you knwo what I'm like
Michael"
8/10/03 10:31:58p Malkor says, "You shouldn't assume the worst just
'cause he's a Zo, Mike."
8/10/03 10:32:01p Reye says, "I don't say that to be mean"
8/10/03 10:32:05p Michael says, "i thought you were a decent guy"
8/10/03 10:32:12p Lister ponders, "I thought so too"
8/10/03 10:32:14p Reye says, "Well thanks. I am actually"
8/10/03 10:32:16p Althea says, "he is."
8/10/03 10:32:18p Zen says, "Er, Malkor...it has nothing to do with his
being a Zo."
8/10/03 10:32:23p Oriole says, "Reye is nice"
8/10/03 10:32:26p Thrund ponders, "It's wrong to fuck with people.
Period."
8/10/03 10:32:28p Michael says, "but you admitted to an action that will
directly cause people to depart"
8/10/03 10:32:37p Eve says, "Well I had to depart from the lava pool,
Reye."
8/10/03 10:32:38p Michael says, "doesnt strike me as nice"
8/10/03 10:32:48p Michael says, "or even decent"
8/10/03 10:32:50p Reye says, "I'm sorry for that Eve. I wish we could
put a sign there."
8/10/03 10:33:02p Eve says, "There are sign posts."
8/10/03 10:33:04p Michael asks, "what would it read, "property of PM"?"
8/10/03 10:33:11p Eve says, "Should have invested in one."
8/10/03 10:33:23p Althea says, "should ahve been left on the cloud."
8/10/03 10:33:28p Reye says, "It's as much ours as it is yours imo"
8/10/03 10:33:49p Malkor says, "Every person has a say in its
destination. Put your legs to work."
8/10/03 10:33:51p Michael says, "i am not the one that tried to make it
useless after i couldnt have my way"
8/10/03 10:34:03p Reye says, "couldn't have my way? I did actually."
8/10/03 10:34:10p Reye says, "As did others before me."
8/10/03 10:34:17p Eve says, "Not all of us are super healers, who can
take lava pits."
8/10/03 10:34:33p Reye says, "Actually here's a PM secret: The maze
isn't that hard."
8/10/03 10:34:34p Michael asks, "so why did you put it there Reye?"
8/10/03 10:34:39p Thrund says, "Eve, even some superhealers can't do it"
8/10/03 10:34:44p Malkor exclaims, "Reye, shhhh!"
8/10/03 10:34:48p Reye says, "hehe"
8/10/03 10:34:53p Michael says, "when you start out at next to 0 life on
a pool of lava its pretty fucking hard"
8/10/03 10:35:10p Reye says, "If that were the only way, it would be
very hard indeed."
8/10/03 10:35:28p Malkor says, "Mentus can teach you to better handle
the journey."
8/10/03 10:35:32p Michael says, "its the way most people that had no way
of knowing ended up there"
8/10/03 10:35:51p Lister ponders, "Lets just follow PM around all the
time, it's as space as much as it is their's right?"
8/10/03 10:35:52p Michael says, "and you still didnt say why Reye"
8/10/03 10:36:02p Althea says, "if ou think you can, Lister."
8/10/03 10:36:13p Reye says, "If you're really upset about the location,
why don't you just move it? I still don't understand "it's too hard" I
moved it there and I probably have less ranks than you."
8/10/03 10:36:14p Lister says, "I know a healer that might"
8/10/03 10:36:27p Zen says, "No, they'll kill you and leave you for dead
as Malkor reminds us."
8/10/03 10:36:32p Reye says, "I certainly have less than many"
8/10/03 10:36:35p Thrund ponders, "moving it there is easier than moving
it out"
8/10/03 10:36:46p Eve asks, "What would stop you from moving it back
then Reye?"
8/10/03 10:36:47p Michael asks, "but WHY did you move it?"
8/10/03 10:36:48p Reye says, "yet we moved it there with four exiles...
c an't be THAT hard."
8/10/03 10:36:52p Eve says, "Then our effors would be useless."
8/10/03 10:37:04p Lister asks, "Michael asked a simple question, no?"
8/10/03 10:37:20p Malkor says, "Er, that argument works both ways, Eve."
8/10/03 10:37:29p Malkor asks, "What's to stop anyone from moving it
after you've moved it?"
8/10/03 10:37:36p Eve says, "Nothing."
8/10/03 10:37:54p Eve says, "But moving it to a place where 3/4 of
puddleby won't fall is better then 95%"
8/10/03 10:37:54p Michael asks, "you cant even make up a reason that
wont make you look like an ass can you?"
8/10/03 10:38:23p Reye says, "I don't owe you anything Michael but I'll
tell you I won't move it for now because I like it there."
8/10/03 10:38:36p Michael asks, "and you like it there because you enjoy
people departing?"
8/10/03 10:38:47p Reye says, "I didn't say that."
8/10/03 10:38:50p Thrund ponders, "might makes right"
8/10/03 10:39:03p Michael asks, "ok, why do you like it in the middle of
lava?"
8/10/03 10:39:31p Michael says, "i can answer why i like it on KI"
8/10/03 10:39:32p Reye says, "Because for anyone to use more, they will
have to take action."
8/10/03 10:40:19p Michael asks, "so action is good?"
8/10/03 10:40:36p Reye says, "depends on the action but in general it's
better than rank whoring imo"
8/10/03 10:40:59p Reye says, "though I try to do my fair share at
times;)"
8/10/03 10:41:39p Michael says, "it was already pretty useless when both
ends were moved to KI, you just made it a depart for anyone that didnt
know"
8/10/03 10:42:14p Reye says, "I think that the one on KI should be moved
to somewhere else, though kinda rough with the other end where it
is...challenging."
8/10/03 10:42:31p Michael says, "i hear your crew likes challanges, go
for it"
8/10/03 10:42:42p Michael says, "i might be an asshole, but even i
wouldnt do what you did"
8/10/03 10:43:35p Thrund ponders, "Michale may be an ass, but he's
right."
8/10/03 10:45:52p Larno says, "'lo town! :p"
8/10/03 10:45:57p Reye says, "Hi Larno"
8/10/03 10:46:21p Larno asks, "So, what brings ya all here, together?"
8/10/03 10:46:29p Oriole says, "Klur got sued"
8/10/03 10:46:30p Reye says, "Mostly yelling at me"
8/10/03 10:46:32p Althea says, "heh"
8/10/03 10:46:32p Lister says, "PM got away with a grave injustice"
8/10/03 10:46:39p Larno asks, "oh?"
8/10/03 10:46:49p Larno asks, "Feel like telling me?"
8/10/03 10:47:07p Oriole says, "Commodus sued Klur for moving portals or
such"
8/10/03 10:47:10p Zen ponders, "oh, yeah, it should be fun for the rest
of the kids to have to take back the world's toys from the bullies."
8/10/03 10:47:16p Oriole says, "was friv"
8/10/03 10:47:22p Oriole says, "700c fine"
8/10/03 10:47:35p Oriole says, "then a public arguement between Michael
and Reye afterwards"
8/10/03 10:47:37p Reye says, "We're royal bastards who moved the portal,
that everyone loved where it was for the benefit of mankind, to a fire
pit that requires skill and effort to move again."
8/10/03 10:47:42p Althea ponders, "oh come on. the ki rankwhores take it
from the small kids o the cloud"
8/10/03 10:47:50p Reye says, "That's the short version ;)"
8/10/03 10:47:56p Althea ponders, "but they were doing it for the good
of exile kind"
8/10/03 10:48:08p Lister says, "they moved the portal to the middle of a
lava pool, and seem to be enjoying that fact that people are departing
because of it"
8/10/03 10:48:22p Natas ponders, "omg they till talkin bout it"
8/10/03 10:48:30p Althea asks, "I don't enjoy that people are departing
from it. where did oyu get the idea that I did?"
8/10/03 10:48:36p Larno says, "I mean - its just a portal"
8/10/03 10:51:38p Larno asks, "Did the portal got outa that heat btw?"
8/10/03 10:51:54p Reye says, "I don't think anyone has tried"
8/10/03 10:51:54p Althea asks, "did anyone try yet?"
8/10/03 10:52:05p Larno asks, "why were folks departing then?"
8/10/03 10:52:13p Althea says, "they took the portal"
8/10/03 10:52:23p Zen says, "because no one knew it lead to death."
8/10/03 10:52:29p Larno asks, "didnt they know where it leads to?"
8/10/03 10:52:31p Althea says, "naw michael tested it early"
88/10/03 10:52:47p Althea says, "he's broadcast far and wide what
assholes "we" are."
8/10/03 10:52:53p Larno asks, "And why did noone try to move it?"
8/10/03 10:53:17p Commodus says, "700 poorer"
8/10/03 10:53:18p Larno says, "this is kinda weird ;p"
8/10/03 10:53:19p Commodus says, "ouch"
8/10/03 10:53:33p Althea says, "you were missing a few facts before you
went into court."
8/10/03 10:53:37p Althea says, "or so it seemed..."
8/10/03 10:53:51p Kani says, "Like the fact that I moved it before the
Pogues ever did? :P"
8/10/03 10:53:56p Commodus says, "they did not vote on the facts"
8/10/03 10:54:05p Commodus says, "they decided on a principlew"
8/10/03 10:54:18p Larno asks, "who exactly put it there, reye?"
8/10/03 10:54:18p Reye says, "damn those cheaters"
8/10/03 10:54:31p Reye says, "well me and klur and two non-PMS"
8/10/03 10:54:46p Larno says, "i mean.. it takes some histia to do that
;p"
8/10/03 10:54:49p Reye says, "I doubt they would mind being named but I
didn't ask"
8/10/03 10:55:03p Commodus says, "the names are on thoomcare"
8/10/03 10:55:06p Althea says, "they were named by Michael publicly
already"
8/10/03 10:55:12p Reye says, "oh yeah j'jh was there and saw"
8/10/03 10:55:26p Reye says, "other two were witches"
8/10/03 10:55:33p Larno asks, "Tere and Prue?"
8/10/03 10:55:34p Kani says, "Hurrah for witches."
8/10/03 10:55:54p Niccolo thinks, "The issue of the portal basically
comes down to, PM like to fuck with everyone and push limits. We've
known it for years, what's this make any difference in the scheme of
things?"
8/10/03 10:56:30p Commodus says, "I jsust want to able use the portals
and not be a 6th circle to do it"
8/10/03 10:56:39p Althea says, "I agree."
8/10/03 10:56:43p Tserr'tsee thinks, "I think it comes down to... If you
don't like where it is move it... they didn't like where it was so they
moved it."
8/10/03 10:56:51p Reye says, "yeah it was great on the clouds"
8/10/03 10:56:52p Dobbin thinks, "wasn't PM that took away my cloud
access"
8/10/03 10:56:54p Commodus says, "that was my point"
8/10/03 10:56:55p Althea says, "I think it should stay on the cloud,
personaly."
8/10/03 10:57:00p Commodus says, "and I lost"
8/10/03 10:57:01p Kani asks, "Why, Althea?"
8/10/03 10:57:09p Larno thinks, "no, it wasnt"
8/10/03 10:57:12p Manquilor says, "I just don't like that I can't get
off the cloud without falling now =/"
8/10/03 10:57:22p Laiy says, "I dunno about the cloud town location
though.. Lota youngins falling there"
8/10/03 10:57:27p Kani asks, "On another note, where are both ends right
now?"
8/10/03 10:57:28p Reye says, "and I can't even go there... someone took
the portal from there"
8/10/03 10:57:29p Althea says, "because a lot of younger folk are
getting to use it and enjoy and area that's not accessible without
chaining through mirror"
8/10/03 10:57:33p Commodus says, "I think I got a bad jury one PM member
and all"
8/10/03 10:57:39p Niccolo thinks, "Yeah so we move it, then it gets
moved back. That's a great idea. Let's go back and forth until someone
gives in heh...c'mon"
8/10/03 10:57:42p Althea says, "he was 1 of 4"
8/10/03 10:57:50p Kani thinks, "Who said anything about giving in?"
8/10/03 10:57:55p Commodus says, "makes it harder"
8/10/03 10:58:03p Kani says, "Seemed like Malkor stuck it to him on the
coins though."
8/10/03 10:58:06p Commodus says, "means I have to get all the other 3"
8/10/03 10:58:14p Commodus says, "and the coins"
8/10/03 10:58:18p Tserr'tsee thinks, "Just keep moving it... It's not
easy to move it that far... They spend ooc hours."
8/10/03 10:58:22p Larno says, "all we need now is a big invasion..
todistract us ;p"
8/10/03 10:58:53p Natas says, "a strep throat invasion so ppl will just
shutup bout it"
8/10/03 10:58:55p Kani says, "It makes me said that a depart or two is
such a big deal."
8/10/03 10:59:29p Tserr'tsee thinks, "The fighting backing and forth for
moving it is the same concept as trying to sue PM or people who moved it
so that it goes back.. They will move it again, acording to you."
8/10/03 10:59:51p Kani thinks, "Would it be reasonable at all to say
that it will stay where it is? I really doubt that."
8/10/03 11:00:38p Tserr'tsee thinks, "Correct Kani.. but who cares where
its moved.. Someone won't like it."
8/10/03 11:01:07p Kani thinks, "Exactly. Some don't even like the cloud.
And they are even louder complaining about other locations."
Comments to TMN:
COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Haenk
EMAIL: root@127.0.0.1
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DATE: 08/11/2003 08:21:06 AM
Well, seems like Klurs mental problems are more severe than I thought. (He's probably one of the people taking toys away from kids.)
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Odes
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DATE: 08/11/2003 11:32:21 AM
Hunf. More silliness. End of discussion.
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Bones
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DATE: 08/11/2003 02:25:53 PM
Huh? Friviolous? Juries continue to misunderstand the use of 'frivolous'. 'Innocent' or 'Not Guilty', maybe, but certainly not friv. Friv is for trials like: 'Commodus accuses Klur of DIIEE BITCH! HOUEWHWEFSDV"
Get a clue, juries.
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Haze
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DATE: 08/11/2003 03:38:33 PM
..."accused of moving the portals and making them
inaccessible."
That isn't a crime.
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Para
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DATE: 08/11/2003 04:07:15 PM
It could become a crime, Haze, if juries find people guilty of it. That's what case law and precedent is all about. Puddleby doesn't have a written constitution or a written law code, so precedent is what stands. But Puddleby cannot develop legal precedents if the juries rule things as frivolous when they are clearly not.
I agree very much with Bones. This was truly a miscarriage of justice. Finding Klur guilty or not guilty - either one - would have been reasonable decisions. But there is really no good grounds here to rule this as frivolous. How can it be frivolous if people all over Puddleby are talking about it? Dozens of messages are getting posted every day at TMN about the matter of the portal.
The members of that jury ought to be ashamed. Someone get them a dictionary and circle the word frivolous in it. The jury had an opportunity and a responsibility to make an important decision on what is clearly one of the most important public matters of the day, and they failed.
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Malkor
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DATE: 08/11/2003 04:39:43 PM
It's frivolous to go around suing people for things that aren't crimes. There's your precedent.
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Michael
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DATE: 08/11/2003 06:05:52 PM
Good to know that you think trying to make people depart is not a crime Malkor. I will remember that next time I run into you out in the Passes.
And Comm got shafted by the moronic way juries are picked in CL. There is no excuse to turn down possible jury members and end up with only 4 people (one of whom is an asslicker of the accused).
The court system shoul always try to get 12 people regardless of how many are on. Right now how many it gets is based of off how many are online. I was not selected for jury duty even though it was turned on and I was not asleep.
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Captain Stinkfist
EMAIL: wangarah@yahoo.com
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DATE: 08/11/2003 06:08:23 PM
I'm goin with bones on this one, jurries dont seem to grasp the concept of innocence, going to court is basically guilty or friv these days... and 700c fine?? well atleast it wasnt the max of 2k
hey heres an idea, why not hold a town meeting and have people talk about options of where to put the portals, then take the ideas of where to put said portals and vote on it at the voting place?
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Kalian
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DATE: 08/11/2003 06:22:59 PM
stinky as much as that sounds good, it wont work...at all , anyone still can and will move it to where THEY want it. there is no way to control where it goes........UNLESS you have ppl watch the end 24/7 and i know that isnt a possibility
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Kjeldor
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DATE: 08/11/2003 06:36:31 PM
This is really quite interesting. Sounds to me like there needs to be an appeals court, since there is at least an arguable...um...argument (yah, I speak good) that there was a mistrial.
This, of course, brings up interesting problems, such as who would serve as judge (or judges), how judges would be chosen, and so on and so forth. I haven't really given this much thought, but I'm sure something could be designed. Perhaps a minimum karma requirement, or a karma to longevity ratio for qualification and then be voted into office.
There would always be the problem of finding judges to preside over appeals trials, as well...
Interesting problem, but perhaps one worth working out.
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DATE: 08/11/2003 07:23:55 PM
Here's a thought. Let's retire Haengemie and use Mystics as judges....
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Captain Stinkfist
EMAIL: wangarah@yahoo.com
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DATE: 08/11/2003 08:07:47 PM
I know as good idea as it seems it prolly wont work but atleast its a step, even tho a very small and tiny in a direction away from "fuck you, no fuck you ! no fuck you" and so on and so forth. and atleast then we'd know where the community as a whole want it the most, assuming people vote. maybe find a way to make the portals stay where they are after the whole vote thing is over. anyone else got any ideas besides a constant moving portal war of sorts. i'd probably just be happy if the portals went back to the original position every storm.
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Para
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DATE: 08/11/2003 08:08:12 PM
/action sighs and hands Malkor his dictionary with the definition of frivolous circled in red.
If the jury decides it is not a crime, then they should vote for "not guilty." The whole purpose of the frivolous option was to punish snerts abusing the court system. In this case, Commodus was not abusing the court system. If the jury decides that Klur is not guilty, they should vote that way.
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COMMENT:
AUTHOR: Exile No. 3
EMAIL: narf.poit.bloop@depends.com
URL: http://www.fishtasteliketuna.org
DATE: 08/11/2003 08:13:15 PM
Dear A&AH:
Until jurors are forced to take the court 'seriously' the courts are a joke and will always remain so. This CAN be fixed, but it's up to you kids to gets it done.
As an example of a court system; in "Real World" courts like the United States of Emooreka (a western Imperial provence), jurors are subject to laws and punishment in regards to contempt of court and mistrials. They are also picked based on affiliation, interest, and prejudices or potentials in the four. Well it's supposed to be done this way but mortals are putzes.
How this relates to the Pissant Trials of Puddleby is that unless jurors are held accountable for their contempt or infringements of "law," the court is useless. Unless in some official capacity you kids institute some basic self imposed rules, chaos is law.
Caoí ;
Exile No. 3
p.s. A lawn is a terrible thing to waste, so if you don't wanna get wasted, keep of mine. ;(
Posted by Para at August 11, 2003 06:31 AM